Proposal : BBKL player draft

[Sensfanjosh]

The top team's would also be able to select a player to replace the one they lost, they would just be losing some quality off their roster presumably. I'm not sure how I feel about the idea but no harm in having the discussion. Something like this or a free agency system is probably needed at some point baring a league wide reset to really have a balanced league.

[Lee]

some form of cap relief could be offered for playoff teams as an incentive.

[dave1959]

Very interesting idea Lee

[Handsome&FairMike]

I feel like it would be easy for top teams to get a scrub (a la bobby Farnham or rinaldo) and shed that contract at the end of the year for this, while lower end teams may actually have to give up a decent player.

Lee - would be interesting if you wanted to run through every team and find a player or two on each team who would qualify for this and see what the quality of players would be like from the top vs bottom teams.

[thom54]

i'm intrigued. I like Lee's suggestion of the 41 game on your roster proviso.

[Shoalzie]

I feel like it would be easy for top teams to get a scrub (a la bobby Farnham or rinaldo) and shed that contract at the end of the year for this, while lower end teams may actually have to give up a decent player.

Not every top team has a scrub and the bottom tier teams aren't going to give away a player with all that much value. It'll probably be a lot of role players, free agents, aging veterans or guys who are overpaid and aren't worth their contract.

Lee - would be interesting if you wanted to run through every team and find a player or two on each team who would qualify for this and see what the quality of players would be like from the top vs bottom teams.

Is there a stat on Fantrax where it keeps tracks how many games a player has had with a given roster?

[kyuss]

Since Lee's proposal basically has the same aim, and what I posted in November suggested as well to use a new kind of waiver draft, I'm going to post again my idea of free agency I suggested back then.
It received almost no feedback (tl,dr case perhaps, but if that's the case it means no one really has enough interest in changing the way the league works now), but who knows, maybe it's a better timing now. You could start just by reading the bolded parts, that would be very quick.
This thing would be a bit more of a game changer.
http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1292 ... cy#p233386

There is one obvious big difference between what we are doing and how the NHL work: free agency.

So, if we want to give bottom teams a chance to improve a bit more quickly than today, that's what we should work on (usually they have more cap room than other teams).

I know FA is considered not do-able in BBKL, but it's only impossible to do it the way the NHL does (we don't have players' agents and we don't want to manage open biddings). I think implementing some sort of FA is actually possible.

In the past I thought about something along these lines (keep in mind this is the basic idea, which could be developed & polished as we prefer):

- the new contract an UFA get in real life would be the final request the player's agent would make to our team.
Just like in real life, teams could resign or lose their UFAs depending on their cap room.

- we would record rosters at the trade deadline. Impending UFAs would not be tradable from the deadline till all of them of such bbkl team have been signed in the NHL, or until our September deadline at the latest, see following point (btw, how many times a NHL team trade an impending UFA between season's end and September? at most they trade the rights to talk with that player, there would be no big deal difference between us and nhl for that matter.. )

- all UFAs signed in the NHL within September (or whatever date we choose) can be resigned by their original team if updating his salary that team can stay under the cap when considering their deadline roster. When an UFA gets his new contract his BBKL team has X days to decide whether to keep that player or let him go. If adding his new salary to the deadline payroll the team exceeds next season's cap, than the player gets automatically released.
If the player is retained, the deadline payroll is updated accordingly. When another UFA of that team is signed
the available cap room to fit him in will be already reduced by the previous signing (something that obviously was to be taken into consideration by the GM when deciding whether or not to retain the previous player. Teams can kind of choose which UFAs let go, like it works in real life).

Those (together with the ones left unsigned in real life beyond the established date) are the players that would become real UFAs in our league.
This would give some control to GMs and we would not depend on the fact in real life the impending UFA gets resigned or not by the original team before indeed becoming a UFA.
Even if the player gets resigned before the end of his contract, he still becomes UFA for our purposes.
BBKL GMs would be the one having to care about having enough space to resign them (guessing the NHL unrestricted free agent's new salary would also become a useful skill/exercise in bbkl, way more than now). They could decide to keep more cap room for their impending UFAs while entering the playoffs, or they might choose otherwise; and once unable to resign some of their eventual UFAs, they could still decide who let go and who not (if they can retain any of them).

When a RFA gets signed his cap hit gets updated in the deadline roster, affecting its payroll and the room for the remaining UFAs to be resigned as a result. RFAs can be traded after the deadline though, if that happens their cap hit on the deadline roster will remain the same it was back then.

I think it would be a good thing to have a limited number of UFAs any team can sign each off-season, to increase the chances there will be some UFAs available.

The trades after the end of the season would still go on as far as all the non UFA players (assets) are related, but the cap space teams would gain could only be used to later 'sign' new players (other UFAs), not their former players. To resign our own UFAs only the cap room available in the trade deadline roster would count.

As for who gets priority to sign UFAs that are not retained by their previous BBKL team:
my idea would be using the Pro-Draft (that's how I would rename the now called Waiver-Draft).
When a team gets on the clock, it has the chance to choose between picking from the waiver draft pool or the available UFAs.

if you want, it's a bit like a cap dictated version of what Lee is suggesting. Which players get exposed would not be entirely up to the GM, which would obviously mean much better players available.

Not as easy to implement, but more rewarding in terms of game strategy, impact on the league and more realistic as well.

[The BBKL Insider]

Id just keep a crap player all year and dump him in the waiver draft. My asking price for quality players would also go up as id make people pay far more for anyone off my roster to make up for the loss of losing a player.

Seems counterproductive to me. The idea isn't horrible but that's how I'd deal with it.

[kyuss]

letting the cap instead of only GM's convenience affect who are the players that will be exposed should be the way to fix that

[bills09]

Would definitely increase the value of players with term

[kyuss]

you'd still be able to resign players on expiring contracts though, as long as you have the cap room (and they do get signed in NHL before the late off-season deadline)

[Fraser]

One way or another. We need to have a discussion in increasing league parity.

[Arian The Insider]

Lol just stop overpaying contenders and maybe we'll see more parity

[Matthew]

I agree with Steve concerning Lee's idea. Given the value of terrible players would go up, can you imagine how difficult it would be for rebuilders to grab a few pieces to hit games played?

[Matthew]

I think the bottom 10 teams futures look a lot brighter than when I joined this league 18 months ago.

[Lee]

41 game nhlers don't usually clear waivers. they would need to be on their roster all year.

[Handsome&FairMike]

Lol just stop overpaying contenders and maybe we'll see more parity

Easier said than done I think.

And Mik's idea is decent, but would take a lot more work on GM's part (which based on a third of our league not being very active seems unlikely to work) and would take a lot more work to regulate. Thus I'd be hesitant to go that way, for fear of it failing and then creating a cluster-fuck.

And as to Steve's point... its pretty simple to keep a bum or two around to circumvent the rule.

[The BBKL Insider]

Ya this isnt a bad idea if you're starting a new league, but it's q difficult idea to bring into an established league. My prices would double on good players, making them almost untradeable. Id suck all value out of bottom teams in every deal to make up for the free player im giving up in the summer.

[kyuss]

And Mik's idea is decent, but would take a lot more work on GM's part (which based on a third of our league not being very active seems unlikely to work) and would take a lot more work to regulate. Thus I'd be hesitant to go that way, for fear of it failing and then creating a cluster-fuck.

we would definitely need to look into it and see how easy/difficult each step would be, but if you're worried about the salary cap thing, that would be pretty much like managing one of our current single weeks. Basically we would have a frozen roster on googledoc from the deadline week which would only be edited with the new contracts.

One thing for sure, it would make the NHL off season much more interesting BBKL wise

[Lee]

and you'll price yourself out of the market for trading your players.

it's time for a course correction and you may need to think of the health of the league over yourself.