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Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:51 pm
by Lee
Proposal:

Every year, each BBKL team has to put up a player who has played atleast 41 games for them over the course of a season. This player goes into a draft using the reverse regular season standings. This would be a way for us to reverse some wealth from the richer to the poorer of the BBKL and help , atleast in a little, unique way. This would also do something to quell the lull and boredom of the gap of time between the start of the offseason and the beginning of our entry draft and increase league activity during this time.

Same basic starting guidelines:

This player must have a minimum of 41 games played
This player can be acquired after the start of the regular season but must have played 41 of his games in your roster. (active, bench or minors)
Players with less than 41 games played are not eligible
Goalies with more than 10 GP are eligible

I am willing to do all work involved in the draft including hosting, fact checking, etc.

This is a very rough idea and am very open to feedback.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:56 pm
by Matthew
You're right. Some of us do seem to get way too bored after the trade deadline...

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:59 pm
by Tony
Okay, Bern-Lee Sanders...

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:19 am
by Lee
Tony wroteCOLONOkay, Bern-Lee Sanders...
I'd love to hear your ideas for the league.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:37 am
by bills09
I'm cool with it

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:38 am
by bills09
I'd place Christian Ehrhoff

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:03 am
by Lee
Ehrhoff would not be eligible as you acquired him on Jan 5th

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:34 am
by Shoalzie
Interesting.

Is this just an extension of the waiver draft or is this something separate? We can make the waiver draft two full rounds and include these "exposed" players in the pool. If they aren't picked, you can retain your player after the draft. Only issue with including the waiver draft in this is for a team like me, I've already moved my waiver pick so I'd miss out on this opportunity.

Maybe this can be called the waiver draft because this is more to what old waiver draft in the NHL used to be. And our waiver draft now can be called the "free agent draft" because that's basically the pool of players we're picking from.

I think the top teams might have a bit of a beef with this idea. Their worst players would be good players on the lower tier teams. I guess let them decide.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:53 am
by Fraser
Probably need like 8 of the top 10 teams to agree to put something like this through. Not sure how I feel. I like what it accomplishes not sure I like the means of doing so. On the fence

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:55 am
by Fraser
Leaning towards liking it

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:55 am
by Shoalzie
Just thinking of the old NHL waiver draft...teams could actually decline their pick. Teams that don't want to take on a bad player under contract can just pass. Then, if any of the 30 players exposed for this new draft aren't taken, then they go into the pool of our "waiver draft". If they make it through both drafts, you can retain the player.

Do this new draft before our waiver draft...don't allow those picks to be traded.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:57 am
by Fraser
If we did it tgat would be the way Shoalzie

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:06 am
by Matthew
Fraser wroteCOLONProbably need like 8 of the top 10 teams to agree to put something like this through. Not sure how I feel. I like what it accomplishes not sure I like the means of doing so. On the fence
I'm a bad team, and I dislike it. Seems goofy.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:09 am
by Shoalzie
It's not great but it's something.

It's not going to be a pool of elite players. We're probably talking 35+ veterans or veterans with bad contracts or they'll likely be 4th liners or 3rd pair defensemen. I think it would be a mild improvement for the bottom teams to acquire the worst player off a contending team's roster but not a game-changer.

Off my team, I'd probably expose someone like Shawn Horcoff. He's 37 and a free agent to be...has played 45 games in spite of his suspension. Depends on when we'd do this "draft"...would it be in the fall when we know where some of the free agents have signed? Maybe not allow teams to expose unsigned players? Horcoff might just retire and I'll have to pick someone else.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:41 am
by Lee
Shoalzie wroteCOLONInteresting.

Is this just an extension of the waiver draft or is this something separate? We can make the waiver draft two full rounds and include these "exposed" players in the pool. If they aren't picked, you can retain your player after the draft. Only issue with including the waiver draft in this is for a team like me, I've already moved my waiver pick so I'd miss out on this opportunity.

Maybe this can be called the waiver draft because this is more to what old waiver draft in the NHL used to be. And our waiver draft now can be called the "free agent draft" because that's basically the pool of players we're picking from.

I think the top teams might have a bit of a beef with this idea. Their worst players would be good players on the lower tier teams. I guess let them decide.
no this would be different from their waiver draft. this would involve every team exposing what is more or less a regular player. in bills example , he has the gp but not time on active roster. this would prevent teams from going out and acquiring the Shawn horcoff s of the world at the deadline and exposing them. it would also allow someone like your team to expose horcoff, being on your team for the whole season.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:44 am
by Lee
Shoalzie wroteCOLONJust thinking of the old NHL waiver draft...teams could actually decline their pick. Teams that don't want to take on a bad player under contract can just pass. Then, if any of the 30 players exposed for this new draft aren't taken, then they go into the pool of our "waiver draft". If they make it through both drafts, you can retain the player.

Do this new draft before our waiver draft...don't allow those picks to be traded.
yeah, teams could decline their pick but they cannot decline to include a player.

my vision would be to do this in the time period between the end of our playoffs and the beginning of our entry draft

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:47 am
by Lee
Shoalzie wroteCOLONIt's not great but it's something.

It's not going to be a pool of elite players. We're probably talking 35+ veterans or veterans with bad contracts or they'll likely be 4th liners or 3rd pair defensemen. I think it would be a mild improvement for the bottom teams to acquire the worst player off a contending team's roster but not a game-changer.

Off my team, I'd probably expose someone like Shawn Horcoff. He's 37 and a free agent to be...has played 45 games in spite of his suspension. Depends on when we'd do this "draft"...would it be in the fall when we know where some of the free agents have signed? Maybe not allow teams to expose unsigned players? Horcoff might just retire and I'll have to pick someone else.

yeah fact checking would be a part. each player and their gp would have to be examined. we couldn't take retirement speculation into account, only confirmed retirement.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:53 am
by Shoalzie
Before our entry draft would make a big difference...that's pre-NHL free agency too. Good chance some players that without contracts are the ones that get exposed.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:02 am
by Shoalzie
Devil's advocate...I honestly wouldn't blame the likes of Mike or Steve or Shiv or Matt or Tony to not be interested in throwing away one player off their roster. This concept doesn't really benefit top tier teams. The best teams are the best teams because they have strong lineups top to bottom. They don't possess bad players or guys they'd consider disposable.

Re: Proposal : BBKL player draft

PostedCOLON Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:11 am
by Lee
yeah it is meant as a way to transfer the ever increasing wealth of top tier teams to the bottom teams in an attempt to create parity.

in a league that has no free agency, some this needs to be done. as a top team, there isn't a problem. but to lower teams, there is an ever increasing gap in roster talent and value. I'm a middle of the pack team so I'm not sure I'll see much value out of this. I'm on my phone otherwise I'd do a mock up of who would be exposed from my team.

with that said, I've been at the bottom. I know how big the gap is.